User:Tom Morris/BlockquoteSandbox

This is a place where we can try out a lot of different blockquote styles - then when we find one we are satisfied with, we can propose it to the editors to become the site-wide style. If you wish to add a suggestion, copy one of the existing ones, modify ONLY the style attribute of the blockquote element and put it in a new section with your name. If you want to provide feedback, add them under each section in usual talk page fashion. If it's more than a few lines of feedback, post it in the forum and provide a link to the particular message. I will refactor discussions. If you plan to do significant amounts of changes, feel free to make a copy of the page in your own user space.

The principle behind this page is that styles should be site-wide rather than article-specific, and Cascading Style Sheets give us a way to do this. If you don't know about CSS, it's not that difficult to learn enough to start customising blockquotes - see this tutorial and the W3C specification homepage. If you've got a rough idea of how a quote should look, post it on the forum thread and someone who knows CSS may be able to create it for you.

By posting up styles on this page, you agree that they are available to the Citizendium for use if chosen.

See also: forum thread

1. Light-grey offset -- Tom Morris

Professor Smith argued that Professor Jones was dead wrong about the Other Wiki.

(Designed on a Mac, intended for use with Monobook rather than the Pinkwich theme. Will create a Pinkwich theme later.)

Anthony.Sebastian offering #1

We begin this section with a brief excerpt from medical historian, Sherwin B. Nuland:

....to him [Galen] we owe the origin of modern medicine's appreciation of anatomical accuracy as the foundation for the understanding of disease, and upon his abiding influence must be cast the onus of impeding research in anatomy until the sixteenth century; he was the ancient world's most eloquent proponent of direct observation and planned experiment, and yet he allowed philosophical and theological conjecture to influence his interpretation of what he saw. He was medicine's best influence, and he was its worst.

What prompts Professor Nuland to put forward that analysis?

Box with left highlight from Jim Perry

The Amish asserted, based on expert testimony, not contradicted by the State, that the Amish religion and way of life were in fact so integrally connected that interference with the Amish way of life would necessarily constitute interference with their religious practices. The Court summed up this testimony in the following words:

"Dr. John A. Hostetler testified that compulsory high school attendance could not only result in great psychological harm to Amish children, because of the conflicts it would produce, but would also, in his opinion, ultimately result in the destruction of the Old Order Amish church community as it exists in the United States today." (id. at 212)

The Court elaborated on this position, explaining why the compulsory school attendance statutes would have this effect on the Amish community:

The above is from Wisconsin v. Yoder, which has extensive quotations from the Court decision. The article uses the ":" style which, in my view, is not very attractive visually. I may work on the above a bit more as I want the right margin to be indented (that is, the quotation should be centered). Also, maybe a somewhat lighter shade of blue.

James F. Perry 23:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I like this version, although I do not think the color is necessary. In an article with many quotes I think that would become distracting. I note that the font size is still smaller. Was that your intention? Chris Day 07:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and I think the somewhat smaller font size is fine. It helps to promote one of the goals - that of distinquishing the quoted text from the main article text. But as with the little light blue stripe, it is hardly crucial. Nor is the precise coding technique important. In fact, I doubt the coding elves will use a box. Here is the same thing rendered with the margin thingy (but without the blue stripe):

"Dr. John A. Hostetler testified that compulsory high school attendance could not only result in great psychological harm to Amish children, because of the conflicts it would produce, but would also, in his opinion, ultimately result in the destruction of the Old Order Amish church community as it exists in the United States today." (id. at 212)

Below is anther example of the blockquote tag:

By contrast, here is a block of text rendered using the blockquote tag without any special mark-up. When I view it without being logged into CZ, it appears in an italic font. Whether logged in or not, there is a rather indistinct indentation on the right margin.

One can see the use of the colon in Chris Day's response above. It is virtually indistinguisable from the blockquote tag (except for italicization) even though the functions of the two are radically different.

James F. Perry 15:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Having just checked the above while not logged in to CZ, I discover that in this state, the font-size appears a bit smaller only in the not-logged-in state. In fact, it is to all appearances, in the logged in state, it is the same size as the main article text. I have no idea why it looks different when logged in as contrasted with logged out. It is, in any case, easy to control with the font-size selector. This comment uses the ":" tag. James F. Perry 15:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Anthony.Sebastian offering #2

(This one uses the existing blockquote function, with interior code to keep font-size equal to that of main text, and give a bold, non-italicized darkish-blue quote. Note that it makes the quote stand out without distracting from the main text it serves to amplify.)

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

The existing blockquote format

Hayford Peirce says that the existing bhlockquote format does not appear in italic font. To check this, I paraphrase Larry Sanger using the existing blockquote function (<blockquote></blockquote>), as if we could consider the paraphrase a quote. I will check this with four browsers, but in the past, always in italics. Wonder what browser Hayford uses.

A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that. A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that. A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that.

This text follows the blockquote. But compare this, also using the <blockquote></blockquote> function with a little extra simple code inside it:

A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that. A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that. A properly indented blockquote should not be italicized. Does this properly indented blockquote appear italicized? If so, we should remedy that.

--Anthony.Sebastian 23:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Anthony.Sebastian offering #3

(This one uses the standard existing blockquote function, adjusted to keep font-size of quote equal to that of the main text, and to eliminate italics. As the coding seems trivial, authors could start using it now, until mthe elves get to it. Note the indents both left and right. And Tom, note the default use of 'blue' for the superscripted numerals of the footnotes, and for the wiki-links.)

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

When I view the quoted text, whether I am logged in or not, on either Safari or Opera on a Mac, there is either no (Opera) or hardly any (Safari) right indent. It is virtually indistinguishable from the use of the colon as in this comment. James F. Perry 01:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Anthony.Sebastian offering #4

(New edit showing a more distnct right-indent. (This one uses the standard existing blockquote function, adjusted to keep font-size of quote equal to that of the main text, and to eliminate italics. As the coding seems trivial, authors could start using it now, until the elves get to it. Note the indents both left and right.)

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

Anthony.Sebastian offering #5

(Same as offering #4, except trying idea of differrent non-italic font for the quote — may not chave chosen best font. Edit showing a more distnct right-indent, slightly exaggerated. This one uses the standard existing blockquote function, adjusted to keep font-size of quote equal to that of the main text, and to eliminate italics. As the coding seems trivial, authors could start using it now, until the elves get to it. Note the indents both left and right.)

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

Anthony.Sebastian offering #6

(Same as offering #4, except trying idea of differrent non-italic font for the quote — may not chave chosen best font. Edit showing a more distnct right-indent, slightly exaggerated. This one uses the standard existing blockquote function, adjusted to keep font-size of quote equal to that of the main text, and to eliminate italics. As the coding seems trivial, authors could start using it now, until the elves get to it. Note the indents both left and right.)

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Trebuchet MS]

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Verdana]

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Cambria]

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Consolas]

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Comic Sans MS - native font, not bolded]

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. [George Swan's offering]

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

User:George Swan offering #7

The advantage of this approach is that it does not require or use any font changes -- which I suggest is a mistake if readers can select their own font choices. George Swan 23:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

George, this interesting, but needs both left and right indent. Box form not traditional for blockquotes. --Anthony.Sebastian 23:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Anthony.Sebastian comparing George Swan's box format with my latest blockquote format as seen in Theoretical biology

In 1543, at the age of 29 years, Vesalius published De Humani Corporis Fabrica (On the Workings of the Human Body.) — generally referred to as the Fabrica — a work of many years of observations and illustrations of human dissections that not only laid the foundation for a realistic human anatomy but also demonstrated numerous errors in the anatomical assertions of the self-proclaimed heir of Hippocrates (460-360 CE), Galen (129-216 CE) of Pergamum, the Greek physician/surgeon who based his description of human anatomy on extrapolations of dissections of animals and observations of the wounds of gladiators in Rome and Pergamum. Having unquestionably accepted Galen's conclusions, Vesalius's contemporaries found themselves stunned and outraged at what eventuated as one of the most important contributions to the evolution of biology and medicine. In his book on the evolution of medicine, Sir William Osler considered it "....one of the great books of the world":

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.

The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library. Repeat: The worth of a book, as of a man, must be judged by results, and, so judged, the "Fabrica" is one of the great books of the world, and would come in any century of volumes which embraced the richest harvest of the human mind. In medicine, it represents the full flower of the Renaissance. As a book it is a sumptuous tome—a worthy setting of his jewel—paper, type and illustration to match....the chef d'œuvre of any medical library.[Trebuchet MS]

1543, the year the Fabrica saw publication, so did Nicholas Copernicus's (1473-1543) De revolutionibus orbium coelestium libri vi (Six Books Concerning the Revolutions of the Heavenly Orbs). A memorable year (and memorable pair of scholars) that jump-started two revolutions, one on interpretations of the structure and function of the human body, the other on interpretations of the structure and movements of the earth and the sun. Those revolutions challenged ancient wisdom that had dominated thinking in medicine and astronomy. An anno mirabile in the history of science.

NB: In both blockquote formats, font-family = Trebuchet MS.